– posted by thehim
After a few days without power, the Federal Way Conservative is back online and providing what only he can:
What shall we do with people, Americans, who openly plot our failure and our demise? What shall we do with those who cheer when America stumbles and groan when it succeeds?
We make fun of their blog posts. And this one’s a winner. Get comfy, this is wingnuttery at its finest, my friends.
What shall we do with those who meet with foreign leaders who have sworn our and our allies’ destruction?
During the Cold War, we didn’t seem to do anything to the American officials who met with the Soviets. He’s got a point. If we’d hung all those people for treason, we might have won that war.
What shall we do with those who insult our national leaders, talk of surrendering to our enemies, or desire to negotiate with terrorists?
We remark at how even those people would be doing a better job than the idiots running the country right now.
I was listening to 1300 AM on the way home late a few nights back when Gallagher pointed out that those who insult our president, thus harming our efforts to destroy terrorists, should be rounded up and placed in an internment camp.
Where they will be forced to sit in the front row without a tarp while he smashes the watermelons.
Let me connect the dots.
Please do, Jonathan.
Americans who hate President Bush like to claim that it is patriotic to insult him and call him names because it is patriotic to support free speech. They are wrong.
It’s not patriotic to support free speech? Oh wait, I think he’s saying that it’s wrong for people to insult him simply because you support free speech. You should be doing it because he’s a horrible President who has pissed away America’s dominance in the world.
It is not patriotic to insult our president, and it never will be.
Until Hillary Clinton is elected. Then it’s ok again.
How can you call the head of state a Nazi and simultaneously claim to love the country he is the head of state of?
It’s actually pretty easy. You just have to refer to the head of state directly. For example, “I love this country, but George Bush is copying the propaganda tactics in Mein Kampf to the letter.” See? Simple.
It’s like telling someone, “I love you, but your head is a cabbage and your breath smells of raw sewage.” You may claim to love them, but no one believes you do.
Maybe she also has huge tits and nice ass.
It is also not patriotic because of the type of war we are in. Our enemy will not stop when they have met military defeat on the battlefield.
Exactly, unlike enemies we’ve fought in the past, they won’t quit after their first setback. Retard.
The war began because military victory is impossible for them. No one can argue with that.
No one can understand that! What the fuck does that even mean? So I guess we have to fight this war because it’s impossible for our enemies to win?
Terrorism will stop only when there is no hope for any victory through terrorism.
If using terrorism is a worse strategy than using military tactics, then why are you so afraid of them? Doesn’t your paranoia about terrorism validate to the terrorists that the tactic is working?
This war is a war of ideas. On the one hand, a group of zealots believe they can influence politics and achieve victory through terrorism. On the other hand, a righteous coalition of nations vows that terrorism will never accomplish anything, except hurting those who practice it.
Um, I don’t think you can commit treason in a war of ideas. And what do you do when the coalition of nations that is vowing to fight terrorism actually starts promoting terrorism instead. Is it then treason to refuse to promote terrorism? So confusing…
As it stands now, terrorists fight and kill our soldiers, our citizens, and our children because they believe it will break our will to fight.
No, they do it to keep us scared and to bring about a larger battle.
They believe that if they can make national news every night with images of broken Marines, that eventually the people will ask the president to stop fighting this fight.
No, they do it to expand the fight and to recruit more of their own countrymen into the battle.
They believe that they can convince enough political leaders to do whatever it takes to cause American troops to withdraw by terrorism.
No, they want as many American troops to be sitting ducks in the Arab world as possible.
On the other side, our government believes that if it consistently defeats terrorists, and if it can demonstrate that only through peaceful means can terrorists ever have hope of influencing any government, then they can defeat the ideology that makes terrorism a possibility.
So turning Iraq into a giant terrorist training camp is going to fix this how?
When the president is insulted, when there are signs that we are not united in our goal of defeating the notion that terrorism is a viable strategy against the United States, when we show signs of cracking, that inspires the terrorists.
No, what inspires the terrorists is when America does things that people in the Middle East find appalling. That way, they get more recruits and more support. Islamic Terrorists do not give a flying fuck what American liberals think. They care about what George Bush is doing and what their own governments are doing in return.
Every time a democrat gets on national TV and says the president has failed and we have to withdraw, that inspires them.
I can’t believe that anyone is still stupid enough to believe this. It’s truly mind-numbing.
Every time a group of people get together and burn effigies of the president, comparing him to Satan and Hitler, they are emboldened.
If that’s the case, then why wouldn’t it be smart for President Bush to stop doing things that cause people to compare him to Satan and Hitler? Isn’t that the smartest solution? To stop making it so popular for people to do things that embolden the terrorists?
Don’t fool yourselves. They are not fighting a battle in Iraq and Afghanistan. The battle is occurring here at home in the hearts and minds of the free world. They will win when we allow them to win, and no sooner.
Then stop allowing them to win! Their goal is to keep us scared, and to make us believe that we’re in some massive struggle for the future of the world that requires us to wage war throughout the Middle East. If we want to defeat these people, we have to be realistic about how inconsequential they are. They’re the nutjobs of the Middle East, and most people in that part of the world are embarrassed by them. But if we keep bombing their cities and threatening them with war, we just legitimize their paranoia.
Therefore, criticizing our president is not only unpatriotic, but anti-patriotic.
What the hell is the difference between those two words?
It is not what someone who loves this country and its people and its freedoms would do. It is instead what someone who wants to see America fall from its position of power, retreat from the support it gives to fledgling democracies worldwide, and lose its position of righteous superiority does. It is what our enemy wants us to do.
President Bush is causing America to fall from its position of power! Get that through your fucking skull, you nitwit! We invaded a country to depose a leader who was, at most, a minor threat to us. We did this against the advice of neighboring states, many of our allies, and most Middle East experts. Now, we have a brewing regional war where our soldiers are stuck defending a fledgling government whose closest ally is a country that we’re threatening to invade. A country, Saudi Arabia - that has so much power over us with its oil reserves that it can summon the Vice President to visit - is now supplying money to the insurgents who are killing U.S. soldiers and will vow to overthrow the government we established there if we leave. Who is it again that’s working against America’s interests? Is it the people who were warning about all this stuff in 2002? They sound like they were pretty patriotic in their thinking to me.
What shall we do about this kind of behavior? I believe Gallagher is right, but his prescription is wrong.
Smashing grapefruits is way more fun.
It is already apparent what the president can do in times of war with citizens who try to subvert that war effort. He puts them on trial for treason, convicts them of “aiding and comforting” our enemies by jury, and executes them. It’s really that simple. Let it be a fair trial, but let the punishment for guilt be death. The constitution spells it out and historical precedence is clear.
OK, so one of our enemies is Iran, correct? And by invading Iraq, we allowed for a government to emerge in Iraq that was dominated by Shia’s, who are more closely aligned with Iran than the previous government of Baathist Sunni’s. The President and Prime Minister of Iraq have both visited Tehran to meet with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and to establish ties with Iran that hadn’t existed when Saddam was there and will benefit Iran greatly. President Bush is also demanding that we stay in Iraq to protect this government from the insurgency. Is that not “aiding and comforting” one of our enemies?
Is it barbaric to kill those who help those who are killing us? To do anything less is suicide.
Are you saying that not killing George Bush would be suicide?
To do anything less would mean you don’t support the troops and you want to see them come home in coffins. To do anything less means you think it is fine if a few Iraqi women and children die abroad as long as your political point is won at home.
Hold on there, numnuts, are you saying that the people who want the U.S. to withdraw are the ones who want to see the troops come home in coffins? Are you sniffing markers again?
Every soldier and every Iraqi civilian who is killed by a terrorist who believes he has a chance of winning this war dies an unnecessary death.
We’re not fighting terrorists in Iraq, you dipshit, we’re fighting an insurgency from Sunni rebels who had previously run the government and now feel shut out.
Every person who inspires that terrorist has that blood on their hands. Think about that the next time you do or say something that might harm our reputation abroad, especially in the eyes of our enemy.
Holy crap, Carl, this guy may the dumbest person in the entire state of Washington.
if it can demonstrate that only through peaceful means can terrorists ever have hope of influencing any government
I don’t know what kind of peaceful means terrorists use. What I do know is that they freak Jonathan out too.
Also, I wonder what kind of speech-treason (speason?) “Bring ‘em on” must have been. Or more specifically, would have been if by some chance, a Democrat had been stupid enough to have said it.
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Thehim,
I read his entry two days ago. I still have a headache. Thank you for saving me from commenting on it. I would have had to read it again.
Dug
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For so long, I figured I was the only person reading the Fed Way Con’s blog. I was pretty sad when he stopped posting for awhile a few months back… nothing brightened my days more than a long and insightful post on things like “Why global warming is good,” or “Why we should cut down all of the trees.” Truly an inspired thinker, that one.
I take it back–THIS is my favorite post of his, bar none, especially so because I was a Democrat working in Federal Way dealing with yard signs (which go down on both sides).
“This is a common Democrat trick, employed extensively in the ‘04 presidential campaign. Other tricks include tire slashing, shooting up campaign headquarters, spreading false and libelous rumors, and calling black people racist names.”
One of the tactics I saw used extensively by Democrats in the ’04 presidential campaign was, of course, calling black people racist names. It’s a really smart political gambit because, you know… it makes them vote Democrat… somehow…
That guy is legendary.
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