– posted by thehim
Since my last post was on such a non-funny topic, I figure I may as well stick to things I really shouldn’t be trying to find humor in. Either that, or I’m just in a demented fucking mood this holiday weekend. Probably the latter.
Jonathan Gardner has some thoughts on the Mumbai attacks…
Watching the news reports of the massacre in Mumbai, India, by hostile muslims I have a few thoughts come into my mind.
We’ve warned him about doing that.
First, I believe, strongly, in freedom of religion.
He just believes more strongly in imposing his religion on others.
However, when that religion teaches you to take up arms and kill the innocent in violation of the laws of the land, I must confess I don’t see why we should give that religion any freedom to be practiced.
Freedom of Religion without collective punishment is like…well, it’s like Freedom of Religion.
The fundamental question is this: Shall we allow people to use their God-given rights to go about murdering the innocent?
No, and we shouldn’t. And we don’t. And we never would in a million years. Is there a point here?
Shall we allow them free speech, free association, freedom of religion, the right to bear arms, etc… if their intention is to kill people?
Well, no. But what’s worse is saying that you can divine one’s intentions simply by looking at their religion.
The answer is obvious: NO.
No shit, Sherlock.
Instead, we will stand up and fight them wherever they are.
Well, wherever President Bush tells them “they” are.
Once you intend to kill me or my neighbors, it is my duty to see to it that you are prevented from doing such harm, even if it means killing you.
And possibly thousands of other innocent people who are acceptable as collateral damage because they’ve failed to already kill you.
This is the part of freedom that isn’t free that you see quoted on so many bumper stickers.
Jesus would have had that bumper sticker if he had a car.
With that in mind, these people use the religion of Islam to spread their message of hate and murder as well as to hide behind a message of peace.
Kind of like how Mormons sometimes try to disguise their bigotry against homosexuals with some bullshit about how they’re trying to help them.
Therefore, I propose the following:
(1) That the practice of any sect of Islam be banned in the United States inasmuch as that sect is associated with terrorism or violence or seeking to kill innocent people.
I’ll get back to this one later…
In other words, once a mosque preaches that it’s okay to kill an innocent person, then that mosque is shut down, its assets seized, and its members imprisoned as enemies of the state.
Um, no. As much as it’s appalling to preach something like that, unless they actually plot to kill people, it shouldn’t be illegal. And being a member of a place of worship that preaches something like that is sure as hell not equivalent to treason.
I recently watched an old documentary about neo-nazi groups in America. These groups sometimes advocate the death of non-whites. As much as I despise these groups, we don’t have real freedom of speech if they’re not free to open their mouths and have everyone ridicule them.
If a group of practitioners of Islam wants to be separate from this harsh tactic, it is their job to help us understand how they are different from the people who are preaching hatred and violence.
They’re guilty until they can prove their innocence. It’s the American way!
(2) That the local, state, and federal law enforcement and military not only spy on but actively work with and within all sects of Islam in our country.
Again, let’s file this one for a little later…
It is their duty to find and eliminate all threats to innocent people in the United States, no matter where they are in the world.
No matter how counterproductive that strategy is.
I am asking myself if this is fair.
Now this gets fun.
To measure it, I replace the world “Islam” with “LDS Religion” or even “Christianity” or “Judaism”.
Oh, I can’t wait.
Ask yourself: If I belonged to a group of mormons who were actively killing innocent people and waging war against the American people, wouldn’t you want me hunted down and killed?
Uh, yeah, I think I would.
Or, if there were such a group of mormons, wouldn’t you demand to know how I, as a professed mormon, am separated from them?
No, I wouldn’t. If Mormons you don’t know are killing people, I wouldn’t accuse you of wanting to kill people, even if the Mormons were finding some justification within their religious teachings to do so. That’s what SeattleJew does, and that’s why he’s the biggest douchebag on the planet.
I would think so.
You’d be wrong. As you are about most everything.
Going back to the two statements I skipped, if the federal government was infiltrating Mormon groups that the most paranoid and unstable Mormons would start to be able to justify killing people in response.
In times past, the LDS church was placed under such scrutiny because of rumors that we were trying to build a competing nation in the deserts of the West.
This is true.
Of course, these rumors were false, but the United States and the LDS members who, at the time, were living in Mexican territory, took these charges seriously and worked quickly to prove them right or wrong.
And a small group of Mormons killed over 100 people emigrating from Arkansas to California in the Mountain Meadows massacre. I guess, according to Jonathan, Mormonism should have then been banned in the United States.
In fact, President Buchanan sent an entire army to Salt Lake City to investigate, despite obvious evidence that the LDS people were an American-loving people who one day hoped to be a territory and then a state of the union.
The true irony here is that the major source of the conflict between the federal government and the LDS was that the federal government wouldn’t recognize Mormon marriage laws.
Of course, political correctness demands that we not label a spade a spade.
Just like recounting that history without mentioning the innocent people killed by Mormons.
Instead, we’re supposed to treat Islam as if it were the religion of peace, when in fact it most certainly is not based on its history from its very beginnings and practice in the modern era.
We should just treat Islam the way we treat all other religions. We don’t make accusations against individuals solely because others within the same religion have done bad things.
Sure, there may be a few sects that are peaceful, but until such time as they separated themselves wholly from the more militant factions, how are we supposed to distinguish the two?
Through our justice system, fool.
I have no use for political correctness.
You apparently have no use for common sense either.
There is no point in trying to soften the blow.
What can kill you can kill you, and no matter how nice you try to make it sound, it is still death.
And in that spirit, isn’t it the duty of every freedom loving people to actively wage war in whatever capacity we have against freedom hating elements of every society?
Sure, and that’s why I make fun of your stupid ass.
If so, then I am at war with militant Islam.
Good for you, and maybe if you had half a brain, you could look to the Utah War in the 1850s to understand the correlation between threatening to take away people’s liberty to worship as they please and their likelihood to kill out of paranoia.
President Bush has been vigilant in making this clear to the world.
I’m not sure President Bush is even awake for more than 5-6 hours a day any more.
It has driven the militant elements of Islam insane, while enlisting the support of the peaceful elements of Islam in support.
No, it hasn’t. Not even close, really. It’s done the complete opposite. It’s given Islamic militants messages that resonate with people in the Middle East and made it very difficult for more peaceful elements of Islam to win the internal battles.
The war isn’t pretty, nor is it always a victory for the US in every battle, nor is it bloodless.
Nor is it working, sadly.
Yet it is a war, a war that apparently President-Elect Obama will carry on for the foreseeable future simply because it is a necessary war.
Just like the war on drugs…sigh.