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	<title>Comments on: Pro-Natalists</title>
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	<description>Calling out the crazy in the Pacific Northwest</description>
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		<title>By: exelizabeth</title>
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		<dc:creator>exelizabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 04:24:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, I would really like it if the &quot;pro-life&quot; movement adopted the term &quot;pro-natalist&quot; for itself.  Because it elevates the fetus above the woman, which is what they are trying to do by banning abortion.

Although I&#039;ve never heard a conservative advocate for universal prenatal care, so I&#039;m not sure how &quot;pro-natal&quot; they possibly could be.

And I have to say, I have agonized over whether to have more than one kid.  My boyfriend is extremely ambiguous about having kids at all.  The strain the human population puts the earth needs to be reduced, not increased.  Really, it would be better if our population decreased, and I would rather see that happen due to willful reduction in population, rather than mass disaster, which seems more likely at the rate we&#039;re going.

I really want to have kids, and I&#039;m okay with bringing them into this world, but I am not okay with any greater than replacement level fertility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I would really like it if the &#8220;pro-life&#8221; movement adopted the term &#8220;pro-natalist&#8221; for itself.  Because it elevates the fetus above the woman, which is what they are trying to do by banning abortion.</p>
<p>Although I&#8217;ve never heard a conservative advocate for universal prenatal care, so I&#8217;m not sure how &#8220;pro-natal&#8221; they possibly could be.</p>
<p>And I have to say, I have agonized over whether to have more than one kid.  My boyfriend is extremely ambiguous about having kids at all.  The strain the human population puts the earth needs to be reduced, not increased.  Really, it would be better if our population decreased, and I would rather see that happen due to willful reduction in population, rather than mass disaster, which seems more likely at the rate we&#8217;re going.</p>
<p>I really want to have kids, and I&#8217;m okay with bringing them into this world, but I am not okay with any greater than replacement level fertility.</p>
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		<title>By: bma</title>
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		<dc:creator>bma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 06:27:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Having a child is one of the greatest votes of confidence one can cast in the future of society.&lt;/i&gt;

Hey... I can&#039;t fault parents for having *a* child.  Dropping out ten, though, should be criminal, and deciding not to have children shouldn&#039;t be seen as a flaw.  

But then again, I shouldn&#039;t be expecting anything else from the idiots from the Discovery Institute.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Having a child is one of the greatest votes of confidence one can cast in the future of society.</i></p>
<p>Hey&#8230; I can&#8217;t fault parents for having *a* child.  Dropping out ten, though, should be criminal, and deciding not to have children shouldn&#8217;t be seen as a flaw.  </p>
<p>But then again, I shouldn&#8217;t be expecting anything else from the idiots from the Discovery Institute.</p>
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		<title>By: Paddy Mac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paddy Mac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 04:58:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The big fuss does tend to slight the fact that the per-woman birth rate is only 2.1. That is merely the replacement rate for the current population.&quot;

You just gotta love the way they Discovery a rationalization for every fact which contradicts their beliefs. Their own data strongly suggests that this year was an anomaly, but so what? Facts exist to support predetermined conclusions. Any fact which shirks this duty gets &#039;disappeared&#039;.

&quot;I’ve puzzled over a related question myself: Why do people who sneer at breeders hate human beings at large? or at least, regard other people as a negative thing?&quot;

Give an example of a deliberately-childless person who has &quot;sneered at breeders&quot;, and then you can begin speculating about that person&#039;s motives. Just because this post mentioned Discovery does not mean the rest of us can simply make up our own facts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The big fuss does tend to slight the fact that the per-woman birth rate is only 2.1. That is merely the replacement rate for the current population.&#8221;</p>
<p>You just gotta love the way they Discovery a rationalization for every fact which contradicts their beliefs. Their own data strongly suggests that this year was an anomaly, but so what? Facts exist to support predetermined conclusions. Any fact which shirks this duty gets &#8216;disappeared&#8217;.</p>
<p>&#8220;I’ve puzzled over a related question myself: Why do people who sneer at breeders hate human beings at large? or at least, regard other people as a negative thing?&#8221;</p>
<p>Give an example of a deliberately-childless person who has &#8220;sneered at breeders&#8221;, and then you can begin speculating about that person&#8217;s motives. Just because this post mentioned Discovery does not mean the rest of us can simply make up our own facts.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 04:13:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;But really, people who chose not to have kids (or who can’t have them), why do you hate America? &lt;/i&gt;

I&#039;ve puzzled over a related question myself: Why do people who sneer at breeders hate human beings at large? or at least, regard other people as a negative thing? 

People who don&#039;t want kids because they think they can&#039;t handle it, or can&#039;t have them, that&#039;s another question. I can respect that. But despising those who do ... that&#039;s just disguised self-loathing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>But really, people who chose not to have kids (or who can’t have them), why do you hate America? </i></p>
<p>I&#8217;ve puzzled over a related question myself: Why do people who sneer at breeders hate human beings at large? or at least, regard other people as a negative thing? </p>
<p>People who don&#8217;t want kids because they think they can&#8217;t handle it, or can&#8217;t have them, that&#8217;s another question. I can respect that. But despising those who do &#8230; that&#8217;s just disguised self-loathing.</p>
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